lord_whimsy ([info]lord_whimsy) wrote,
@ 2008-04-18 20:13:00
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GET OFF THAT PEDESTAL, ARTIE
Former Poet Laureate Robert Pinsky puts on his Allan Bloom hat and kicks around some straw men in Slate. I was along for the ride until this last exchange:

9. Well, I like poetry that is amusing, that maybe makes me chuckle a little. I'd rather read something reassuring and light than something complicated or gloomy. Is that bad? Does that mean I am a jerk?

Our laureate's reply?

"Yes."

Now, this raises both my suspicions and my hackles. Are we to believe that poetry is supposed to mean something and be good for you in order to be deemed poetry at all? Big fat finger to that. That's not an educated point of view: that's an indoctrinated point of view. It sounds too much like the predictable, pedantic dullard who insists that every piece of music should be "challenging"--as if "complicated and gloomy" wasn't itself a predictable trope!

Real depth and complexity has to include the simple, the reassuring, and the light. The idea that writing an Ogden Nash poem or the perfect pop song is easy is a pretty big assumption, and a false one at that. Much of the best art made over the last century that has had a lasting cultural influence wasn't even considered art at the time of its inception. It was a part of daily life. It was entertainment.

We westerners are often so heavy and clumsy in our allegiances: we really expect far too much from our Gods and our Art. It wasn't always so, but that lightness, fluidity, and vitality has become very elusive. The more ardently we chase our Muses, the further away they flee. Pan cares nothing for "the proper channels"!

There's something to be said for turning your back on the baggage that comes with big "A" Art and instead applying that creative energy to your everyday life, like the Ancients did. It requires letting go of our egos a bit, and refraining from trying to hit some Promethean height all the time. Does this open the floodgates of mediocrity? Not really: aspirations have little to do with artistic accomplishment. Art worth its salt isn't conquered, but coaxed. The arts, in order to reclaim their old vigor, should be reintegrated into our lives. People would get over themselves and jot little ditties on napkins over after-dinner drinks--and maybe once every fifty years, someone pens something for the ages. Seems a more sane, nourishing model.

~W



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[info]scar_let
2008-04-19 01:50 am UTC (link)
Art is far too important to be taken seriously.

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[info]lord_whimsy
2008-04-19 01:52 am UTC (link)
Exactly.

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[info]man_of_excess
2008-04-19 03:12 am UTC (link)
What working for the Portland Museum of Art has taught me: Art has nothing to do with talent, skill or even deeper meaning; He or she with the biggest shovel wins.

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[info]kore
2008-04-19 03:54 am UTC (link)
agreed. especially this : "The arts, in order to reclaim their old vigor, should be reintegrated into our lives"

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[info]lord_whimsy
2008-04-19 06:03 am UTC (link)
My little screed is full of holes, but you get the general drift. This institutionalization and excessive reverence kills art--it needs to go feral. Much of what I encounter now reeks of drab, bourgeois, bien pensant NPR correctness. My agent often complains that he constantly gets the same damn books from the grad school set. Case in point: I attended a McSweeney's reading a couple months back, and it was all so pious and worthy I wanted to leap out the window.

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[info]desant012
2008-04-19 06:45 pm UTC (link)
There doesn't seem to be much alternative these days to the McSweeney/NPR/Ivy League bored-kid lit journals (N+1, etc.). MFA Professional Writer (TM) degree mill? The writer's workshop cult? I really don't understand why, but there's just this uniform style of dull seriousness, or worse, McSweeney's/NPR approved detached wryness (the kind-of stuff you imagine the writer having a permanent smirk while writing... like how it was vogue to make fun of homeless people a while back; the kind-of humor that only comes from having the luxury of being totally detached from reality).

What's the solution? In NYC these days, there's only one literary scene, and that's the one that's absolutely godawful. I guess it's because even less people read than before, and all the creative energy goes into visual art. and NYC is very much anti-anyclassotherthanelite. Who knows what comes next.

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[info]cataptromancer
2008-04-20 02:34 am UTC (link)
I do!

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[info]drosselmeier
2008-04-19 05:13 am UTC (link)
I don't know it this is quite what you mean, but I listened to Britney's entire first album in my car yesterday, and god, it's excellent.

And then there's your typical hight school lit class where you read something like Candide and it gets all the fun beaten out of it because your teacher's so set on convincing you that it's Serious Important Writing and that you're supposed to look through the humor rather than appreciate it along with the legit social commentary.

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[info]lord_whimsy
2008-04-19 05:52 am UTC (link)
Voltaire was the eternal adolescent, and would likely be firing spitballs from the back of that class.

Edited at 2008-04-19 06:22 am UTC

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[info]drosselmeier
2008-04-19 08:57 pm UTC (link)
Can you please adopt me?

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[info]simon_stylites
2008-04-19 05:55 am UTC (link)
Perhaps, uh, perhaps you didn't get Pinsky's joke?

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[info]lord_whimsy
2008-04-19 06:31 am UTC (link)
His coyly arched eyebrow must be the hit of the faculty lounge. How the palindromes must fly!

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[info]electricwitch
2008-04-19 11:22 am UTC (link)
Tbh, if you say DOES THIS MAKE ME A JERK, you deserve that answer.

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[info]macrame_owl
2008-04-19 12:47 pm UTC (link)
Perfectly stated! I couldn't agree more :)

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[info]madge_pastiche
2008-04-19 01:20 pm UTC (link)
Also, I betcha Pinsky is sort of talking about Billy Collins, who is a former poet laureate who championed more accessible, generally more funny poems than usual. He published some great anthologies of poetry that sold very well and got on the nerves of some poets who thought he was promoting a dumbed down version of their art. Billy Collins is great, by the way- funny as hell.

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[info]truthfeather
2008-04-19 01:28 pm UTC (link)
Poetry, like all acts of truth is meant to be seriously fun.
I'd refer him to Shel Silverstein.

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[info]charleston
2008-04-19 01:48 pm UTC (link)
Yes! yes, yes.

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[info]thomascott
2008-04-19 02:44 pm UTC (link)
Good post!
I think there is always a balance to be struck, I like late Beethoven string quartets and Stravinsky lollipops -
http://www.rhapsody.com/orpheuschamberorchestra/stravinskyshadowdances - I don't see either as being mutually exclusive.
Whilst I'm very much in opposition to accepting the dumbed-down credo of 'accessibility', I find this notion that art must be complicated and serious at once old bourgeois and stifling.

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[info]merrow_sea
2008-04-19 03:51 pm UTC (link)
I like to have a martini,
Two at the very most.
After three I'm under the table,
after four I'm under my host.
- D. Parker

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[info]ancrenewiseasse
2008-04-19 09:22 pm UTC (link)
Amen.

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[info]count_vronsky
2008-04-20 05:27 am UTC (link)
Permission, please, to have this entire essay tattooed on my left butt-cheek.

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[info]omlteaufromage
2008-04-21 04:18 am UTC (link)
Now that's art.

What, if any, modern authors would you (either [info]lord_whimsy or [info]count_vronsky) recommend? Those who seem to understand joy and entertainment rather than slavishly follow the cult of the carefully crafted story?

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[info]count_vronsky
2008-04-22 01:01 am UTC (link)
I think we need look no further than our gracious host, Lord Whimsy, for the current premier practitioner of comedic prose.

I can pick a couple of books off of my shelf at random. Say some early Annie Dillard such as "Teaching a Stone to Talk" or "Holy the Firm." Or maybe Mark Strand:-)

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[info]milwaukeesfs
2008-04-21 02:54 pm UTC (link)
I found the entire piece arrogant and condescending. Just pointing out a couple of pieces that MIGHT counter the questioners premise does not make a good answer. Admittedly, questions that are structured "how come poets never--" are not well crafted questions, but then one wonders why he didn't either choose better questions or address the implied meta-questions which are more like, "how come I never seem to see poems that-".

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[info]murcury
2008-04-22 08:48 pm UTC (link)
"...simple as a flower, and that's a complicated thing..."

Maybe the 'great unwashed' require lots of pop (read: light, 'inconsequential') to forget how horrible things are around them; they understand all too well, and perhaps [i]live[/i] the 'deep poetry' others profess to comprehend. Not to say they don't need to examine, but hitting people over the head with a baton does not make Nancarrow or even the Kronos Quartet (covered Hendrix) more accessible.

(nice to see you out at our little space the other evening, by the way.)

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